2 new catagories for beta awards 2009

[cutiebunny]

Additionnaly due to a majority of native english voters, the scenes considered as best ones will be the one able to create a nostalgia feeling, and consequently only the broadcasted shows in english language...

Pfft. As if the English dubs that were broadcast on TV were actually good. Watch an episode of the dubbed Sailormoon and Cardcaptor Sakura and I think you'll understand.

I disagree. I think several things need to be present. The cel will have to have a background. Whether that matches or not will be up to the entrant. Hopefully, though, it will bring out the scene either way.

The next is plot. There has to be something going on in the cel. Maybe a character is being absorbed or attacked. But there is a storyline - a 'something' that is occurring.

This would be a good category for cels that are not the close-up, but show the action.

[iceman57]

The cel will have to have a background. Whether that matches or not will be up to the entrant.

So this can be a composition of layer from anywhere + a background from anywhere ? I beg your pardon but result would be a pure mess...

Why the BG can't simply be the original certified matching one ?
This definitively need to be a complete scene with all its layer and its background (all certified by a DVD capture) to be a regular entry.

Otherwise this category need to be named "artistic fan compilation" and not "best scene" as this is no more a scene from the original anime.

[zerospace]

And who is going to "certify" that the BG is indeed original and matching? A DVD capture certainly wouldn't do that. For all you know, the person has a copy background that is close enough to the original. Unless of course you're going to have the entrant supply a ridiculously large image of the artwork in question along with a full-resolution screenshot, which we will all have to presume came from the correct source and has not been altered in any way.

For that matter, who would have to verify the DVD capture vs. the artwork image submitted? The organizers? I would leave that up to them, consider its their time you're volunteering for all this extra work.

You can likely see where I'm going with this... I hope.

[iceman57]

And who is going to "certify" that the BG is indeed original and matching? A DVD capture certainly wouldn't do that. For all you know, the person has a copy background that is close enough to the original. Unless of course you're going to have the entrant supply a ridiculously large image of the artwork in question along with a full-resolution screenshot, which we will all have to presume came from the correct source and has not been altered in any way.

For that matter, who would have to verify the DVD capture vs. the artwork image submitted? The organizers? I would leave that up to them, consider its their time you're volunteering for all this extra work.

You can likely see where I'm going with this... I hope.

In such "BEST" category, the submitter need to prove the validity of his/her compilation. Otherwise this is opening to anything, like YJA "matching background" that often are not. A laser copy is neither an original and this need to be known too for the judgement of an art quality.

General quality levels :
1. - Matching BG from the scene
2. - Non matching BG, but from the same source TV series / film / OVA
3. - Laser copy
4. - BG from another series

[Starfighter]

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[cutiebunny]

In such "BEST" category, the submitter need to prove the validity of his/her compilation. Otherwise this is opening to anything, like YJA "matching background" that often are not. A laser copy is neither an original and this need to be known too for the judgement of an art quality.

General quality levels :
1. - Matching BG from the scene
2. - Non matching BG, but from the same source TV series / film / OVA
3. - Laser copy
4. - BG from another series

Why does the background have to be an 'original matching' background? Can the scene not be enjoyed without the original matching background?

And what about in the case of those cels that have black(or other solid) color backgrounds? Who is going to verify that the background that the item was scanned with is the 'matching' production background instead of another background or just a piece of colored paper?

Best scene, for me, is one in which the the story is apparent and everything works well together. If a non-matching background brings out the scene more, then power to the entrant.

Besides, we allow entries for other catagories to use non-matching backgrounds, so what's the deal?

[JWR]

And who is going to "certify" that the BG is indeed original and matching? A DVD capture certainly wouldn't do that. For all you know, the person has a copy background that is close enough to the original. Unless of course you're going to have the entrant supply a ridiculously large image of the artwork in question along with a full-resolution screenshot, which we will all have to presume came from the correct source and has not been altered in any way.

For that matter, who would have to verify the DVD capture vs. the artwork image submitted? The organizers? I would leave that up to them, consider its their time you're volunteering for all this extra work.

You can likely see where I'm going with this... I hope.

In such "BEST" category, the submitter need to prove the validity of his/her compilation. Otherwise this is opening to anything, like YJA "matching background" that often are not. A laser copy is neither an original and this need to be known too for the judgement of an art quality.

General quality levels :
1. - Matching BG from the scene
2. - Non matching BG, but from the same source TV series / film / OVA
3. - Laser copy
4. - BG from another series

Well that might be if this was actually a "Serious" award program with "Real Prizes" being given out.

This "Contest" has been put on each year as a "Fun" activity (to everyone except those brave enough to put it on ).
All one "Wins" is the ability to feel happy to have a chance to share pieces of your collection and sometime one even gets an honour of having one of yours to be judged as being best by your fellow collectors and friends here in a particular category.

I have submitted each year , been floored to have actually won the ability to "download" and electronic award to display for some of them.
To me what we all "Win" is the ability to see some amazing artwork and I'm quite satisfied with that.

[Charon]

This is just semantics. Back in 2005 the categories were 'Best Mecha', 'Best Animal', Best whathaveyou. Just drop the 'Best' if that's going to be a problem and call it Set-up or Scene or Over-all Composition or [insert proper term here].

It was proposed as a catch-all for all those multi-part set-ups that don't really fit into any other category, so it's meant to be as general/inclusive as possible, just like the ever popular general 'Male' and 'Female' categories. But instead of focusing in on a specific character or specific emotion, it's meant to take in the entire general aesthetic of the cel(s). I'll toss in a couple of examples, offhand. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Ideally all parts of the set-up would be original, but I don't see why submitters to that category would have to go out of their way to prove it anymore than the other categories have to prove that they're not fancels, that they're actually owned by the submitter, that the shikishi isn't a forged doodle by Uncle Bob etc.

It's all a bit of a moot point anyway, as I don't think there's any way this category can catch up with the other ones currently in the lead.

Edit : And as proven, boy am I slow.

[irmgaard]

Charon,

I just LOVE your Giluria avatar!

[Charon]

Is that who he is? (And google confirms, nameless bishy is nameless no more...) I played a little bit of the Armored Police Metal Jack game, but never saw any of the TV series, so I've been at a bit of a loss when it comes to that beautiful cel. Thanks, knowing his name helps with researching a lot better!

[irmgaard]

You're very welcome.
Yup! That’s who he is.
I was so surprised to see him as not many people know about that series.

Of course, Giluria is actually an alias…
but I can’t tell you his “realâ€

[iceman57]

Well that might be if this was actually a "Serious" award program with "Real Prizes" being given out.
This "Contest" has been put on each year as a "Fun" activity (to everyone except those brave enough to put it on ).

This is not a matter of win or loss, or competition.
Just the fact that with "pro" and clear rules even a "fun" award ceremony gain in quality and respectability.

Just drop the 'Best' if that's going to be a problem and call it Set-up or Scene or Over-all Composition or [insert proper term here].

Exactly my mind.

If a non-matching background brings out the scene more, then power to the entrant

So this simply need to be wrote down like "composition setup from various series & backgrounds". Again this is not a criticism but just a matter of rules writing.

[Charon]

You're very welcome.
Yup! That’s who he is.
I was so surprised to see him as not many people know about that series.

Yeah, back when I got this cel years ago, there was a dearth of information on the anime. There was a bit available on the SNES game and a "oh, by the way, there's an anime too". End of info. But if it's a bit more well known now (and it'd be hard to get less well known ) then I should try and see if I can track the anime down again.

Oh and don’t believe Anime News Network! They list him as Giruria… l

Thanks again! Giruria brings up a couple more Google hits. But at least 'screenplan' is a word. Sort of. Desigen on the other hand...

And to go back on topic a bit more, since there seems to be some interest, I'll try to remember to suggest the category-that-shall-not-be-named for the contest next year.

[cutiebunny]

So this simply need to be wrote down like "composition setup from various series & backgrounds". Again this is not a criticism but just a matter of rules writing.

Why does it matter?

This competition is about fun. There's the fun of narrowing down which items to submit. The fun seeing what others enter. The fun in picking and voting. And, if you're lucky, the fun in getting a cute little graphic award.

I just can't see where getting anal about the authenticity of the background comes into it. I am not going to go through my DVDs to verify the background. I can't imagine that anyone else would.

[iceman57]

I agree, but since yesterday this matter was only concerning the attribution of the term "best" to a category.

If this category allows to post an amount of layers (from any source) over a background (from any source) this need to be specified as a "CREATIVE" category and not as a "best scene" as "scene" refers to the assembling of an exact scene from an anime and consequently occurs several controls.