Cat Cruelty

Sugarflower · Post by **Sugarflower** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:35 pm

"This was a tragic accident," Hochbaum said. "It was not intentional."

How the hell do you justify this as being an "accident" or not being "intentional"! I'm all for the "eye for an eye" thing as well. I'm sorry but there has to be some kind of justice taken.

This is just disgusting.

Gonzai · Post by **Gonzai** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:00 pm

Goldknight wrote:I'm not counting appeals. I'm saying that they should all die "no questions asked". Like I said....'Eye for an eye" like way way back then. They couldn't appeal then I bet. Frankly our justice system is a joke.

Sorry Ang, I am going to disagree with you 100% on this.
Too many people have been wrongly convicted in this country,
and if it weren't for those appeals, they would have been
put to death for a crime they did not commit. You hear of
people spending years in prison for crimes they did not commit.
I would not want to be the one who pulled the plug on someone
only to find out that someone else committed the crime.

blueheaven · Post by **blueheaven** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:27 pm

http://welcomeconsumer.com/?p=824

I wrote this story a few months back, but it pretty much sums up my feelings on animal cruelty.

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 4:27 pm

I don't have anything to say to that.

Not Sir Phobos · Post by **Not Sir Phobos** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:21 pm

What the eff! It's an animal not a person, I don't care what you do to an animal, it's NOT equal to a human life. You people that say "death penalty for killing a cat" are messed up in the brain.

Was it right for him to do? Nope
Is he an asshole? YUP
Do I love cats? Yup, I've nursed 2 feral kittens into the best feline companions I've ever seen.
Do I think he needs to be punished? YUP
Death penalty? WTF is wrong with you?

But seriously, it's an animal. I sincerely hope that not one single person in the "death" crowd eats meat, chicken broth, dairy, owns a car with leather seats, etc. You better be following a strict vegan lifestyle or you are a hypocrite.

Cloud · Post by **Cloud** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:21 pm

Who is going to make me. .

kittens · Post by **kittens** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:04 pm

Not Sir Phobos wrote:What the eff! It's an animal not a person, I don't care what you do to an animal, it's NOT equal to a human life. You people that say "death penalty for killing a cat" are messed up in the brain.

This reminds me the 5th shougun during the edo era

(who set a law that if you killed a dog then you would get a death penalty....)

I do feel so bad for the cat and I cannot stand anyone who abuses animals. Especially I cannot do anything for them to help......

iwakuralain16 · Post by **iwakuralain16** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:11 pm

Not Sir Phobos wrote:What the eff! It's an animal not a person, I don't care what you do to an animal, it's NOT equal to a human life. You people that say "death penalty for killing a cat" are messed up in the brain.

Was it right for him to do? Nope
Is he an asshole? YUP
Do I love cats? Yup, I've nursed 2 feral kittens into the best feline companions I've ever seen.
Do I think he needs to be punished? YUP
Death penalty? WTF is wrong with you?

But seriously, it's an animal. I sincerely hope that not one single person in the "death" crowd eats meat, chicken broth, dairy, owns a car with leather seats, etc. You better be following a strict vegan lifestyle or you are a hypocrite.

I take a bite out of cows every chance I get... for realz. LOL I nursed a feral kitten as well!!! Because my Tama-san was attacked and killed during the time I was helping nurse her back to health so she ended up staying with us. Which was nice.. after spending $400 on ER vet bills for a cat... it is kinda tough to just give her up. @_@ She follows me around all the time when I am home... so cute!!!!

sletia · Post by **sletia** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:23 pm

Not Sir Phobos wrote:What the eff! It's an animal not a person, I don't care what you do to an animal, it's NOT equal to a human life. You people that say "death penalty for killing a cat" are messed up in the brain.

Was it right for him to do? Nope
Is he an asshole? YUP
Do I love cats? Yup, I've nursed 2 feral kittens into the best feline companions I've ever seen.
Do I think he needs to be punished? YUP
Death penalty? WTF is wrong with you?

But seriously, it's an animal. I sincerely hope that not one single person in the "death" crowd eats meat, chicken broth, dairy, owns a car with leather seats, etc. You better be following a strict vegan lifestyle or you are a hypocrite.

Yeah, because someone maliciously killing an animal equals eating an animal that was raised to be eaten.
People who abuse animals usually move up to PEOPLE.

Goldknight · Post by **Goldknight** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:14 pm

LOL Nida. I had thought of that and yet I still didn't care.

I know....I'm sick..........and let me add tired of listening to all the crime on the news. I'm sure I'll think more rationally once I stop drinking my wine each night while I type.

Post by **JWR** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:48 pm

Olivier wrote:I totally agree with you: animal cruelty is inacceptable.
I do however think it is a shame that so many people seem more concerned about animal cruelty than cruelty to human, especially children. Thousands of kids die of starvation every single day in Africa. THAT should be on the CNN website, not the cat story, as awful as it may be.

I think the Michael Vick (former National Football League Star) conviction for animal cruelty raised the awareness of the news media here in the USA.
I do agree that the world itself has turned a blind eye towards genocide , mass starvation and the slave trade happening in Africa.

graymouser · Post by **graymouser** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:13 pm

I agree with the anger over the cruelty of what was done to the cat. I also agree that the death penalty is way over the top, but I am assuming people were just reacting in the moment.

Unfortunately, it is not likely much will be done and we will probably never find out what happens to him. Several years ago I was a witness to a similar case locally. A 17 year old dropped kicked two kittens; one lived and one died. It even made the local news.

The result: we got called to court for the first phase (whether he would go to trial as adult vs juvenile). The case was settled before we even got started. We were never told what happened and there was no media coverage to follow it up. I felt like I had wasted half a day waiting around the DA's office and I will always wonder if justice was really served.

Not Sir Phobos · Post by **Not Sir Phobos** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 11:01 pm

sletia wrote:
Not Sir Phobos wrote:What the eff! It's an animal not a person, I don't care what you do to an animal, it's NOT equal to a human life. You people that say "death penalty for killing a cat" are messed up in the brain.

Was it right for him to do? Nope
Is he an asshole? YUP
Do I love cats? Yup, I've nursed 2 feral kittens into the best feline companions I've ever seen.
Do I think he needs to be punished? YUP
Death penalty? WTF is wrong with you?

But seriously, it's an animal. I sincerely hope that not one single person in the "death" crowd eats meat, chicken broth, dairy, owns a car with leather seats, etc. You better be following a strict vegan lifestyle or you are a hypocrite.
Yeah, because someone maliciously killing an animal equals eating an animal that was raised to be eaten.
People who abuse animals usually move up to PEOPLE.

It's exactly the same, supporting business that kills animals yet decrying anyone who kills animals is hypocritical. By your logic it would be okay for me to kill people as long as I raised them for that purpose.

Also, more good logic, kill the guy because he MIGHT commit a crime in the future. Better kill all the highschool social outcasts too, just ot be safe. Once you explain to them and their parents how you are preventing them from possibly doing something in the future, I'm sure they'll be alright with it.

klet · Post by **klet** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:31 am

I read the article, and it really does sound like a horrific death.

I certainly hope the cat died right away, because it would be awful to think that it was still alive when the guy got through with it.

The defense attorney's words are pretty shady, but then again, that's what he's been paid to do. The way he talks, it seems like the entire incident was an "accident," when it clearly wasn't. I don't believe the man set out to kill the cat, but he definitely wanted to hurt it in his drunken rage (not that being drunk is an excuse). I know a man who used to get so angry, he'd punch holes in the wall of his own house (he didn't drink). It'd cut up his knuckles, and he'd have to fill in the hole, but he still did it. He had anger issues, just like this man. I only wish that the guy in the article had taken his anger out on furniture or walls rather than another living, breathing creature.

Every life is precious, whether it be that of an animal or a killer. If this man gets the death penalty and it is actually carried through, it won't bring Norman back to life. I think everyone makes mistakes, and everyone needs to have a chance to change.

Obviously, this man needs to accept the consequences of his actions, whatever a court of justice determines them to be. Those consequences may not be what others deem "just," but when we decided to live in a society, we gave up our natural-born rights to punish. At least, that's what John Locke wrote.

He needs help dealing with his anger issues. Serious help, or else he could take another life, feline or otherwise. I think criminals need more help than they do punishment. Sure, a lot of times, it doesn't work, and they turn back to crime, but I think it's worth it for those few lives who do get turned around. How grateful is the reformed criminal who goes on to lead a respectable life? Does that reformed criminal think that the system is worth it?

Please don't take this post to be pro or anti-death penalty. I'm still not sure exactly how I stand on that issue. On the one hand, I do believe that people need second chances. On the other, sometimes people spit and stomp on those second, third, fourth chances. Besides, if someone murdered someone I loved in cold blood (or even a drunken rage) I'd have a very hard time forgiving them and wishing for people to help them. Maybe I wouldn't. Maybe I'm not strong enough.

moonrabitt · Post by **moonrabitt** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:57 am

Ummm....And Eye for An eye and no questions sounds very harsh....
Imagine if they put "JonBenét Ramsey's" parents to death.....now they established with DNA that it was not them....
I've seen many cases where people where not guilty, and because of bad police work, or officers that plant evidence, they get convicted...

The guy may be guilty as sin, but I think that being molested and tortured in prison for maybe 10 years is enough...of course he will probably get less time....

Also, more good logic, kill the guy because he MIGHT commit a crime in the future.

Not necessarily, but what's the thing that people that know a murdered almost always say? "He used to torture, hurt animals when he was younger" that's how you can tell some of the time. Cruelty to an innocent animal can escalate to human harm...And even you may agree that there is something wrong with that man to hurt that animal....

It's exactly the same, supporting business that kills animals yet decrying anyone who kills animals is hypocritical. By your logic it would be okay for me to kill people as long as I raised them for that purpose.

I don't even what to know how they kill cows and chickens 0_o, I hear how they kill pigs @_@
But by that logic you could also say that buying certain types of shoes helps the companies to expand and hire more Chinese kids to work for them....

By your logic it would be okay for me to kill people as long as I raised them for that purpose.

-I have no response for that one

P.s-DEATH Penalty to all of you who have killed mice, ants, rats....oh wait...that would also include me @_@