You know, the funny thing about that is that people kill "lesser" animals all the time in cold blood. Extermination, etc. If you want to equate killing an animal with killing a person, then killing pests would technically get you a worse sentence.moonrabitt wrote:P.s-DEATH Penalty to all of you who have killed mice, ants, rats....oh wait...that would also include me @_@
Since, you know, people often get off lighter if they do something in the heat of the moment.
http://www.helpinganimals.com/ga_humanAbuse.aspStudies on what motivates a killer indicate that Skalel was following a common pattern of violence. According to FBI profilers, the American Psychiatric Association, law enforcement officials in the US and child advocacy organisations, people who hurt animals are likely to move on to even bigger "game" - their fellow humans. Cruelty to animals is considered one of three symptoms that predict the development of a psychopath. Says Robert Ressler, founder of the FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit, "These are the kids who never learned it was wrong to poke out a puppy's eyes".
http://www.sniksnak.com/ac/abuse.htmlViolent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animals. “Anyone who has accustomed himself to regard the life of any living creature as worthless is in danger of arriving also at the idea of worthless human lives,” wrote humanitarian Dr. Albert Schweitzer. “Murderers … very often start out by killing and torturing animals as kids,” according to Robert K. Ressler, who developed profiles of serial killers for the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Studies have now convinced sociologists, lawmakers, and the courts that acts of cruelty toward animals deserve our attention. They can be the first sign of a violent pathology that includes human victims.
From Child Development and Psychology 101 course.Olivier wrote:Don't think so. Prove it if you can.sletia wrote:People who abuse animals usually move up to PEOPLE.
iwakuralain16 wrote:I am sure this may end up going to the speakeasy... but... I figured I would try a normal post first.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/18/act ... index.html
This pisses me off... If a person would do this to a cat, who is to say they would not eventually take such actions with a human?? I am outraged and I hope they make an example of this asshole! I would not feel bad at all if this guy was put in jail for the rest of his life. He should have been an adult and delt with his issues. NOT take them out on a poor defenseless animal.
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No one has actually proven Olivier wrong yet. He contested the fact that people who abuse animals usually move up to people, as in, a majority of them go on to commit violence against humans. I've spent the last 30 minutes researching this to no avail. While of course it's obvious and many studies have said that animal cruelty is a huge predictor for antisocial behavior or violent behavior later on, this isn't the same thing as saying most animal abusers go on to become human abusers. Anybody have a good article that gives a definitive answer to this percentage question?Olivier wrote:Don't think so. Prove it if you can.sletia wrote:People who abuse animals usually move up to PEOPLE.
Yep...that would maybe equal +200 death sentences per personklet wrote:You know, the funny thing about that is that people kill "lesser" animals all the time in cold blood. Extermination, etc. If you want to equate killing an animal with killing a person, then killing pests would technically get you a worse sentence.moonrabitt wrote:P.s-DEATH Penalty to all of you who have killed mice, ants, rats....oh wait...that would also include me @_@
Here you go....:most animal abusers go on to become human abusers. Anybody have a good article that gives a definitive answer to this percentage question?
The FBI considers animal cruelty to be one of the predictors of violence and considers past animal abuse when profiling serial killers.
National and state studies determined that from 54 to 71 percent of women seeking shelter reported that their partners had threatened, injured or killed one or more family pets (Anicare Model workshop, Tacoma 2004). If children are victims of domestic violence they may in turn represent that abuse with an animal, the only being they feel they can control.
http://www.paws.org/help/report/connection.phpMore than 80 percent of families being treated for child abuse were also involved in animal abuse. In 2/3 of the cases, the abusive parent killed or injured the pet. Sadly, in 1/3 of the cases, a child victim continued the cycle of violence by abusing a pet.
Insects don't count. Their nervous systems are so primitive that most scientists agree that they don't even feel pain. (and don't ask me to back it up.. just google it)Olivier wrote:If you tell me that a high percentage of people who killed humans started with animals, fine. But that doesn't mean at all that a high percentage of people who are cruel to animals move up to humans. It's two completely different things. If you are sick enough to kill a human, I have no doubt you can kill an animal. But just because you kill an animal doesn't mean you will have the guts to kill a person.
I think most kids, at a certain stage of their development, are naturally cruel to smaller animals such as insects. That doesn't make them future murderers.
Insects and mamalians are totally different things because we are mamalians and insects are not. Also what you said is also not really correct as well. We can only see that there is some strong CORRELATION that one is cruel to something closey relate to humans (like cats and dogs) and future murders.Olivier wrote: I think most kids, at a certain stage of their development, are naturally cruel to smaller animals such as insects. That doesn't make them future murderers.
...I doubt kids know that. They assume the insect is hurt but they just don't care. We ALL did this at least once when we were 3 or 4, out of curiosity. Kids just have to experience these things. And that doesn't make them future murderers, otherwise we would all be.sletia wrote:Insects don't count. Their nervous systems are so primitive that most scientists agree that they don't even feel pain. (and don't ask me to back it up.. just google it)
